You can't access the DLC before you kill Siff AND join the Darkwraith covenant on the same playthrough, simply because you need to place the lord vessel to access the DLC, but by doing this you have either killed Siff and joined Darkwraith allready or you have placed it via Firelink/Frampt (and doing this causes Kaathe to not spawn). 1 Biography 1.1 Legacy 2 Trivia 3 Navigation Like Kingseeker Frampt, Kaathe is a primordial serpent, a snake-like being that came from the Abyss spread by Manus. The Caduceus symbol, as well as the Watchdragon Parma in DkS2, both depict Kaathe and Frampt as two sides of the same coin. Regardless of which serpent the player sides with, the next sequence of events stays the same. FOUND ODD BUG: If you kill gwynevere (and possibly also including gywndolin) before talking to frampt, frampt leaves obviously when you approach him... but, for no reason at all and BEFORE I EVEN PLACED THE LORD VESSEL OR KILLED THE FOUR KINGS... the Abyss bonfire becomes available and when you visit, kaathe gives you ONLY the dialogue as if you already placed the lord vessel. Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe are the same Primordial Serpent (LORE) Discussion. Kaathe allows you to join the Darkwraith covenant, which grants access to an item (the Red Eye Orb) which allows for infinite invasions. I don’t believe this is just an “oversight” or a case of “bad voice acting”. Both Kaathe and Frampt use conflicting methods in their approach the the Chosen Undead and yet, like the hydra hunting it's prey, are both working towards the same goal. I agree this makes the most sense, and to add on to this, I believe that Kaathe and Frampt are not aligned like we may think: They are not "representatives" of each path, which would imply that they are two different or opposing forces. It's just you the player that actually succeeds. Up vote (0) RP. Well, i didn`t know about that, my bad. Kingseeker Frampt is a Character in Dark Souls. Frampt, on the other hand, allows you to "sell" items for souls, and he'll break down large titanite pieces into smaller ones. Darkstalker Kaathe is the central antagonist of the 2011 videogame Dark Souls and the unseen overarching antagonist of the Artorias Of The Abyss DLC. They collect the Lord Souls, their serpent buddy carries them through the Abyss to the Kiln of the First Flame, and the player fights the final big bad before choosing to either relight the First Flame or let it fade. Gwyn left Anor Londo long ago to set himself alight to fuel the Age of Fire. (btw i already ranked up enough in the darkwraith covenant to get all the items.) 10. Replied on November 28, 2012 . ", I am the Grey that shall become Red, the Ysbrid that shall become the Ddraig, the cloud and lightning. Fri … The other day I told my friend that a lot of Dark Souls story and plot was really vague to leave it open to interpretation and he called it lazy writing. TheColdSpartan91. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Primordial Serpents are characters and mentioned characters in Dark Souls. Kingseeker Frampt only appears after the Bells of Awakening have been rung. She can tell Frampt is "lying"(not the point if someone tries lore argument). Frampt has 11,120 HP; the giant bird has 1,160 HP; and Kaathe has 24,464 hp. Frampt and Kaathe are only guides to each of the two paths that we are inevitably presented with, the linking and unlinking of the first flame. Frampt wants to extend the Age of Fire for reasons unknown save for himself. if you gave the lord vessel to kaathe, frampt gets pissed off and leaves. As a primordial serpent, his goal is to shepherd the Dark Lord's return, a path Frampt lost sight of. I was speculating about Kaathe, Frampt and the other primordial serpents. I always thought of this as the Serpents playing both sides. Now, this isn’t uncommon in Dark Souls as most voice actors have more than one role. It's not a theory. They just want to get you there, as many undead as possible. On top of that, the voice in that cutscene sounds like either serpent BUT refers to itself in third person. Darkstalker Kaathe is a Character in Dark Souls.. Encounters. He was voiced by Peter Marinker, who also voiced Kingseeker Frampt and Eingyi. Nope, you can`t. So I hinted at Kaathe because 99% of people don't see him their first playthrough anyway. In Japanese Frampt and Kaathe are referred to as the “World Snake" or 世界の蛇 (sekai no hebi) which may refer to "Ningishzida" who is the "Earth-Snake" in Sumerian mythology who is two serpents connected, sometimes with human faces. Kaathe being right out wrong depends entirely on how much you trust him. BREAKING NEWS: Man dies after his car was hit by a train on a level crossing in Gloucestershire. The impact of F/K is a cornerstone to the Dark Souls story. In this scenario, it is usually accepted that Frampt is telling the whole unabashed truth and that linking the Flame is the good ending, though this mainly due to the fact that Kaathe is relatively hidden and only accessible by either knowing he's there and under which circumstances, or someone trying to 'bug' the game by moving on with the story while disregarding Frampt. Frampt, and Gwyn, and Gwyndolin were just going to convince the Undead that it was their destiny to brute force the Age of Fire for as long as they exist. No matter what ending you choose the fire will still burn out, and the serpants will still servive because they can servive in the abyss. At the end, if you become Dark Lord, he is obligated to serve you because the Serpents are bound to servitude of the Dark Lord. Not saying i fully disagree, but if you talk to Frampt after planting the lordvessel with Kaathe and siding with the dark, Frampt insults you. Firelink Shrine, where the pool in front of the decrepit statue used to be. I really like when people come up with the same theories as me. The theory that Kaathe and Frampt are the same being has always been floating around since the first game. So, serpent leads people to "accept" the dark (albeit unknowingly), and the entire kingdom burns. Killed some 'immortal' npcs. The truly dragon-like thing to do is to strive towards neutral, the way things were before, devoid of life, but also death, and indeed conflict of any kind perhaps. Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:08 am. Let's play Dark Souls blind #20: Frampt and Sen's Fortress (the beginning, anyway) - Duration: 2:57:57. 0. Frampt wants to rule Lordran with the Surviving gods, while you are guarding the Kiln. Their role essentially drives the lore during the present events of DS1 and “sets up” the sequels. There is the matter that there already IS a hydra (two, in fact) in Dark Souls. The trick is to NOT talk him when you have Vessel. This doesn't mean they're on the same side (a coin has two sides even if they are the same coin)- it means they're opposites. It is possible the name you are searching has less than five occurrences per year. Believe me, it work, I did it. Also they are telling you to do opposite things which doesn’t make any sense unless he’s just screwing with you. 1 Biography 1.1 Legacy 2 Trivia 3 Navigation Like Kingseeker Frampt, Kaathe is a primordial serpent, a snake-like being that came from the Abyss spread by Manus. Lauren the Flute 1,453 views. But I also want her to see the Sif cutscene after doing the DLC. Im at that point in the game where i have to place the Lordvessel with either Frampt or Kaathe, though am not sure which one would be better to keep gameplay wise. Kaathe is Frampt's brother in Dark Souls, looking exactly the same as his other long-necked relative.Finding Kaathe is a large ordeal for most players, but his dialogue is more than worth the trouble. Description. Looks like Vaati may have some work to do haha. I feeded stuff to Frampt until I get Vessel. Close. Language: English Words: 15,124 Chapters: 7/7 Comments: 51 Kudos: 248 Bookmarks: 33 Hits: 2256 Believe me, it work, I … The Caduceus Shield in Dark Souls depicts Fraampt and Kaathe connected with heads on opposite sides. There were 3 lord souls that were created long ago, but a fourth soul was found by your progenitor. Maybe they are like catdog? As far as goals; yes, they urge you different things but ultimately you get to choose what you do once you defeat Gwyn. I got the Lord vessel, and then went straight to New Londo and beat the four kings. ", (A. L. Frothingham, page 192, "Babylonian Origin of Hermes the Snake-God, and of the Caduceus I), Thank you for Sharing, very interesting Back ground. Siding with one causes the other to leave you for the rest of the playthrough. Here's the other problem to a possible solution. Which would be the better choice? He says you are sorry fool and that he knew you could never be the chosen undead. Kaathe has another option, though: just let the flame die out. 2:57:57. This is true. Kaathe is specifically mentioned and only Kaathe for that matter by followers of the dark. No asses, just a body and a head on either end. 6. Each gives you 5000 souls on death. The Caduceus symbol, as well as the Watchdragon Parma in DkS2, both depict Kaathe and Frampt as two sides of the same coin. Interacting with him reveals the existence of the Dark Soul and the revelation that Kingseeker Frampt and the gods are merely using you in a futile attempt to prolong the Age of Fire. I can't remember if it's you or someone else. Darkstalker Kaathe, also known as Master of the Abyss, is a Primordial Serpent just like Kingseeker Frampt.But unlike Frampt, who persuades the player to choose the "good" ending and "link the bonfire" after defeating Gwyn Lord of Cinder.Kaathe attempts to sway the player the other way and suggest to keep the power to himself and therefore leading into the "Dark Lord Ending". (btw i already ranked up enough in the darkwraith covenant to get all the items.) This doesn't mean they're on the same side (a coin has two sides even if they are the same coin)- it means they're opposites. I did it myself. Here's another theory: Everyone who dies is the 'chosen' undead. Also, contrary to what the previous replier stated in 2019, both serpents can transport the player to the Firelink Altar, so it is possible to use Kaathe to reach Firelink Altar even after Frampt disappears. Which would be the better choice? Kaathe does not disappear if the player places the Lord Vessel immediately after Kaathe brings the player there. No, you don’t. Frampt has a slightly greener tint than Kaathe, Seperate heads for the same being is possible. What if I jump to the alter myself and placed the lord vessel? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Makes me feel that I had a good idea (in this case, the hydra theory). Weird things about the name Frampt: The name spelled backwards is Tpmarf. When Souls Awaken Real-Life Accounts of Past-Life and Life-Between-Lives Regressions. Kaathe and Frampt may appear to be on opposite sides, but Frampt's actions are explainable, and ultimately beneficial to the master plan. That would explain why they have different goals but team up in the Dark Lord ending. Darkstalker Kaathe is the central antagonist of the 2011 videogame Dark Souls and the unseen overarching antagonist of the Artorias Of The Abyss DLC. When the Serpents are referenced in the lore (New Londo/Oolacile) they’re not referenced by name, further adding to the ambiguity of the two. The opening cinematic really hammers this idea home, all it talks about is light and dark, heat and cold, life and death. Kingseeker Frampt, il Serpente Primordiale, è in un sonno profondo sotto il Santuario Firelink quando i Non morti scelti iniziano la loro missione. For Dark Souls on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What if Frampt and Kaathe were actually two heads of the same serpent. Er ist der Führer der Geister der Finsternis und derjenige, der das Volk von Oolacile manipulierte, um Manus zu wecken, weil er dachte, somit könnte man das Zeitalter der Dunkelheit in Bewegung setzen. Massive snake-like beings intent on pushing the Chosen Undead toward either kindling or extinguishing the First Flame, they're some of the most important NPCs in the entire series. if you gave the lord vessel to kaathe, frampt gets pissed off and leaves. Gwyn had already shared parts of his soul with those closest to him, giving them the power to shape the land and humanity in line with Gwyn's vision. I returned to the firelink bonfire and spoke to Kingseeker Frampt where he told me he was disappointed in my decision. So I hinted at Kaathe because 99% of people don't see him their first playthrough anyway. There are two famousPrimordial Serpentsin the game: Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe. But I also want her to see the Sif cutscene after doing the DLC. Now, it's pretty clear why things went to crap in Oolacile. They want the Dark Lord to take control and the Age of Darkness to begin, but at the same time, they do not want to make enemies of someone who chooses to Kindle the Flame. Empress Misery. They both seem sketchy as hell and don't give good justifications for doing what they are doing. Kaathe è un serpente primordiale, proprio come Kingseeker Frampt. Kaathe/Darkwraiths/The Abyss--Hold On, What? You can't access the DLC before you kill Siff AND join the Darkwraith covenant on the same playthrough, simply because you need to place the lord vessel to access the DLC, but by doing this you have either killed Siff and joined Darkwraith allready or you have placed it via Firelink/Frampt (and doing this causes Kaathe to not spawn). The only distinction between them are their names which; let’s be honest, isn’t too hard to use whichever you want when the circumstances call for it if you’re an ancient immortal serpent with an agenda. Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:22 am. 28.10.2020 byvug prophetteonit. Once you talked to Frampt, Kaathe will get upset and won`t show up until new playthrough.That's so wrong lol. (Spoilers)". For Dark Souls on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What if Frampt and Kaathe were actually two heads of the same serpent. Kaathe will tell you the truth of Frampt's bargain. My girlfriend is starting to play Dark Souls. Ningishzida is the origin of Hermes, the messenger of the gods, symbolized by the "Caduceous." People who are passionate about the game to actually think and use their imaginations and try to figure stuff out as opposed to just being told what to think and stuff. The trick is to NOT talk him when you have Vessel. I believe F+K is just playing both sides under the guise of two Serpents to maximize the amount of undead to challenge Gwyn. Primordial Serpents are black, or grey-skinned serpent-like creatures. I figure Kaathes teachings for a Dark Lord carried on while Gwyn loyalists died out long ago by that point. It could be that the serpents are hydra like, but there isn't a main body. Requirements for Kaathe to appear: Kill the Four Kings in New Londo Ruins AFTER and/or BEFORE getting the Lordvessel Warning: DO NOT talk to Frampt in … Frampt has 11,120 HP; the giant bird has 1,160 HP; and Kaathe has 24,464 hp. The Archons were the ancient rulers of the Old Kingdom and were said to be immortal. Archived. Posted by u/[deleted] 1 year ago. Frampt definitely wants the Fire linked. Here's the other problem to a possible solution. Im at that point in the game where i have to place the Lordvessel with either Frampt or Kaathe, though am not sure which one would be better to keep gameplay wise. Just a bunch of serpents. Posted by 2 years ago. My girlfriend is starting to play Dark Souls. Kaathe is the only NPC in the first Souls game that actually explains the history of the universe. Close. Interesting theory for sure, couple of big sticking points for me would be the primordial serpent statues in Ds3 that show just one head and the body on each statue. In reply to Piuma Bianca's post on November 28, 2012 There's 4 bosses in the … Also, Fraampt is positioned right in front of the statue of the mother in Firelink Shrine. I did it myself. Fortunately for him, two hunters driving down the same highway found him just in time. I’m on my second Playthrough and I as I was trying to decide on which primordial Serpent to ally myself with and I noticed that their voices were eerily similar to each other. "Ningishzida the "Herald of the Earth," as he is the messenger of the Earth Mother, and also why he is called the throne-bearer of the earth, and the young Sun lifting himself up from the earth. Of course, they could just be something similar that FromSoft came up with on their own. That would explain why Frampt is always asleep at firelink, he’s tired from traveling from the abyss. And Kaathe wishes to rule Lordran while it and its undead citizens are corrupted from the abyss. This is why it would say at the end of the Darkness ending that Frampt and Kaathe would serve you. I got the Lord vessel, and then went straight to New Londo and beat the four kings. R3d P01nt. keep playing and killing bosses, that might open the door. Telling the CU to do two different things when they can only do one of them does not benefit their plan at all. Look how many Lords of Cinder linked the fire in DS3... "chosen undead" is a myth the gods use to funnel strong humans into linking the fire. Note: Darkstalker Kaathe will not appear if you sided with Frampt and placed the Lordvessel. 0. Red aether art I, the Heaven/Venom of. Killed some 'immortal' npcs. Kaathe is a Primordial Serpent, just like Kingseeker Frampt.He is the Leader of the Darkwraiths Covenant, and it was he who tempted The Four Kings with the power of Life Drain which, in turn, led to the eventual flooding of New Londo.. For Dark Souls on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Are Frampt and Kaathe on the same side? But what stood out to me is that the voice difference between F/K was almost nonexistent, like a really bad attempt at a different voice unlike the other voice actors roles, which sound completely different from character to character even though it’s the same voice actor. I managed to piss off both Frampt and Kaathe at the same time. Frampt, and Gwyn, and Gwyndolin were just going to convince the Undead that it was their destiny to brute force the Age of Fire for as long as they exist. Posts: 6. Kaathe being right out wrong depends entirely on how much you trust him. Lauren the Flute 1,453 views. I feeded stuff to Frampt until I get Vessel. F/K are arguably the biggest driving plot device in the game guiding you to whichever path you choose. Two sides of the same coin, essentially. Dark Souls is full of crazy, creepy characters, and two of the most off-putting would have to be the primordial serpents Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe. Once you talked to Frampt, Kaathe will get upset and won`t show up until new playthrough.That's so wrong lol. I think that both Frampt and Kaathe are both the same being. Fun Facts about the name Frampt. Darkstalker Kaathe is a Character in Dark Souls.. Encounters. In fact maybe the first flame is what created the serpents. If they choose to let it fade and become the Lord of Dark, several other serpents along with Kaathe and Frampt … Patto di Kaathe. "He's weldin' a dog to my freakin' faAAAIIIIEEE!! R3d P01nt. Kaathe is also responsible for many tragic events within Dark Soul lore, like the destruction of both New Londo and Oolacile by way of the Abyss' influence, but his story still has an element of truth to it, making Frampt's version of the story a dubious act of misdirection. TheColdSpartan91. Paramedics rushed to scene at 3pm, however the driver was pronounced dead Kaathe/Darkwraiths/The Abyss--Hold On, What? I spoke with Kaathe and he transported me to firelink alter. prophetteonit Newbie Posts: 29 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2013-04-23 Age: 26. If they were the same being, then I don't know why he would be so butthurt. and i think kaathe is more honorable than frampt, but who knows considering i'm being pandered to by both of them. I always thought the best ending in the game was to piss off both Frampt and Kaathe. Let's play Dark Souls blind #20: Frampt and Sen's Fortress (the beginning, anyway) - Duration: 2:57:57. Archived. Chrono Odyssey An MMORPG Space-Time Fantasy Announced, Demon’s Souls Builds: Death Cleaver Guide (Beginner PvP), Rumour: Elden Ring New Trailer To Be Shown at The Game Awards 2020, Wolcen: Bloodtrail Free Expansion Launch and Trailer, Cyberpunk 2077 Is Teaming Up with Twitter for Launch Eve Event. Note: Darkstalker Kaathe will not appear if you sided with Frampt and placed the Lordvessel. Although the Archons are long gone, their bloodline lives on. I think they are likely inspired by the Roman god Janus, as much as the Fire Keepers are inspired by vestal virgins (another Roman thing). ". main page. That's why my favorite ending of all the games is the second ending in ds2, where you can't hollow or truly die, and are a lord of light and darkness. 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